Backstage Interest in the Hart/DX Politics, Latest on Shane McMahon
Posted by Marc Middleton on Thursday, December 24th, 2009
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James Mills
Date: Dec 24, 2009 at 6:33 AMI wouldn’t be surprised if Michaels DOES apologise to Hart and offers to bury the hatchet….but its up to Bret to accept it.
The Shawn Michaels who ‘screwed’ Bret in Montreal in 1997 is not the Shawn Michaels who exists now.
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!?
Date: Dec 24, 2009 at 9:40 AMI agree with James, its been over a decade and it needs to die.
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Valo487
Date: Dec 24, 2009 at 10:27 AMI would love to see them bury the hatchet, it’s been such a long time and if Hart can forgive McMahon for Montreal I don’t see why he couldn’t forgive Michaels. There’s just no reason for the bad blood to continue, and if they can sort it out Bret could have a more active role with WWE in the future.
Plus if they can sort it out we could have one last match between them if Hart feels up to it. I’d much rather see Hart vs. Michaels one more time than Hart vs. McMahon.
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HHH
Date: Dec 24, 2009 at 10:42 AMBret Hart is a selfish person… I mean no offence to what he did for the wrestling world but, think about it… He didn’t want to drop the WWE Title, when for a matter of fact was jumping ship to WCW, . The screwjob had to be done, because Bret could of screwed over the WWE, if Bret could of been like any other wrestler, and just drop the title like he was ment to in the first place instead of wetting his pants like a 5 year old girl, then none of it would of happened… and about him making ammends with Shawn, well not that long ago at his Hall of Fame, he said he would only do it if HBK left, so well see what happends
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baddog_1_2k
Date: Dec 24, 2009 at 11:18 AMI think shawn has tryed to apologize before but bret never “did his part” so to say but I think truiple H and shawn have changed alot sense then and I am sure shwan will oficially apologize to bret wether bret accepts it or not atleast it will no longer be on HBKs shoulders he was the guy in the ring vince was the one that told him to do it. But I agree it would be nice if bret comes back that they could get this worked out because it just needs to end finally who knows shawns growin up alot he has a wife and kids and is clean maybe him and bret would actually get along!
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Devil_Rising
Date: Dec 24, 2009 at 11:49 AMI will say this. For all of his (apparently 13) championships, HHH has never been and never will be the caliber of star and the “money draw” that Bret Hart was from 1992-1997. He was the biggest interational star on the planet, arguably bigger than Hogan at that point, he’s the biggest star in Canadian history, and even though business in general was at a low point, he still “put asses in the seats” and was part of some of the most memorable matches and storylines (actual GOOD wrestling storylines) in wrestling history.
People always want to give credit to DX and Steve Austin for “Saving” the WWF from supposed extinction (though I seem to remember them doing just fine, ratings or not). But if you ask me, people REALLY need to thank the likes of Bret Hart, The Undertaker, Owen Hart, etc., the REAL hard workers and steadfast guys that kept the WWF afloat AT ALL during those rough years. I don’t care what anyone says, as much as the “Attitude Years” are glorified, I think the “New Generation” years that preceded them had better matches and feuds, which is what matters to WRESTLING fans, not entertainment fans.
And on a final note, I’m sorry man, HBK can call himself a born again Christian and talk about how his life has changed all he wants, but if you ask me, the guy is still the same snake he ever was. I think Bret should be professional, and if Michaels “appologizes”, he should “accept” it, but it’s certainly one of those things where you forgive, but NEVER forget. There’s not a doubt in my mind that HHH/HBK, given the chance, wouldn’t stab Bret in the back all over again, once the company is done using him to boost ratings, which is all this is.
I just hope Bret is smart this time around, and protects HIMSELF, along with being the class act for the business that he always has been. HHH and HBK combined, along with guys like Hogan, Batista, etc….will never be anything close to the Legend that Hart is.
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maddogmk1
Date: Dec 24, 2009 at 11:50 AMIIRC, when it happened all the blame was laid squarely on Vince, with Shawn being just an innocent pawn.
Bret’s wife went after Vince publicly, but didn’t seem to lay any blame on Shawn.
In one interview, the ref admitted that he was told by Vince to ignore the script and give Bret the fast count.
If Shawn’s being just as confused as Bret over the endding was merely an act. he definitely deserves an OSCAR !!!!!!!!!
JMHO AAYMMV
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damkat
Date: Dec 24, 2009 at 12:21 PMI am a huge hitman fan, loved him in his day, however this whole thing is over a decade old and should be left in the past. Shawn is a great entertainer and Bret was a great entertainer. Vince did what was best for WWE back then and that is just the way it is. You should never expect to leave the company the Champ.
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tonyd
Date: Dec 24, 2009 at 3:57 PMi would love to see hbk and the hitman end this beef and shake hands….i bet they(the WWE)is gonna put it on raw…
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Devil_Rising
Date: Dec 24, 2009 at 4:49 PMVince did not do what was best for WWF. By any stretch of the imagination. Hart was ALWAYS a bigger star than HBK, HBK just did more to TRY and get attention. And HBK’s career would have been NOTHING without Hart and that Iron Man Match. Period.
Vince didn’t do the right thing, because Bret WANTED to stay with WWF. He was more than willing to stay for less money, and after a couple years of wrestling to retire and take a backstage position (most likely the position that lame ass “Johnny Ace” has now). THAT would have been what was best for the company, and the business, was for Bret to stay, to end his career the right way. But Vince b-itched out, and reneged on on a multi-million dollar deal they had ALREADY agreed to, pretty much forcing Bret to leave and choose WCW. And then Vince wouldn’t even let Bret go out the RIGHT way, winning in front of his HOME CROWD, and then forfeit the title the VERY next day on Raw. Nope, he had to SCREW Bret instead, humiliating him in front of friends, his fans, his family….even his own little CHILDREN.
No, Vince is a P.O.S., and absolutely DID NOT do the right thing. And I don’t know where all this “HBK tried to apologize” garbage comes from, because last I checked, when asked, he said that yes, if asked to he would do it all over again. Vince, HHH, HBK, are all rotten tools, and while I would love to see the Hitman again, I’m not comfortable with where this is probably going to go, not a single bit. The man has one of the greatest legacies in wrestling history, already tarnished by the “Screw Job” and his wasted time and career ending Goldberg-Can’t-Wrestle injury in WCW. He doesn’t need to have it tarnished even more by whatever silly BS WWE has planned.
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madogmk1
Date: Dec 24, 2009 at 5:07 PMWell, guess we all know how Devil_Rising feels about Vince.
Wonder if Devil_Rising is a long time fan who grew up with one of the organizations [ie AWA] that Vince forced into bankruptcy with business practices that would probably be illegal today, or just another newbie bashing Vince because it is oh so fashionable and politically correct ????
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A Wrestling Fan
Date: Dec 24, 2009 at 8:09 PM@HHH
Bret Hart would not backstab the WWF and take the title to Nitro to “bury” it. He was the most loyal wrestler at that time to WWF, if not of all time. He respected Vince and the business in order not to do that.
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HHH
Date: Dec 24, 2009 at 8:32 PMIf he was, why wouldnt he drop it like any other superstar is ment to do, when working for WWE… He was all into it for himself and self image… Im not saying Bret wasnt loyal to the biz, but he was all into it for himself instead of the company there… And people shouldnt say, well it was his hometown… Well many many superstars have dropped the belt in there hometown, and lose matches
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C.R.
Date: Dec 24, 2009 at 8:37 PMI just don’t understand why Bret Hart can forgive Vince for the screwjob, but is still so damn furious at Shawn. Does he realize Shawn didn’t create this plan and make Vince do it? This was a Vinny Mac original and Shawn was simply doing his job, because love him or hate him, Shawn is a professional. I respect the Hitman as much as the next guy. He has given to the WWE and is a legend. But, why stay mad at Shawn? He wanted to be like Hogan and never give the title up, so something had to be done. You can’t sit on the title all the time. That’s why I like Ric Flair so much. He never had a problem with dropping the title because he was more concerned with ratings and giving a good show as opposed to creating a dynasty. It would be nice though, to see another Michaels/Hitman match.
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Josh
Date: Dec 24, 2009 at 9:30 PMBullshit, Shawn Michaels was, is and always will be someone you can’t trust. He is a snake. That goes for HHH as well. Just imagine them doing the same thing to Taker now, with all taker has done for the company. Bret should stay in Calgary, WWE is a joke.
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TheRattlesnake420
Date: Dec 24, 2009 at 11:21 PMShawn screwed Bret. What’s done is done. The best that could come out of it would be a public apology to the Hitman, and for the Hitman to accept it. But, even if HBK apologizes, and it is genuine, I wouldn’t expect Bret Hart’s acceptance of that apology to be genuine. Maybe, genuine enough to get through 1 night. But it will always be “The Montreal Screwjob.” Something that will always be remembered. Bret Hart was lied to. Something I’m sure he remembers to this day very clearly. Nothing can be genuine with all the politicians and manufactured talent that WWE forces down peoples throats. The show must go on and bills have to get paid though.
Lastly, does it seem foolish to be wishing for Shane-O Mac to be the new face of TNA? I understand it seems a little far-fetched, but I really think that would be the spark the wrestling industry needs to blow up. All the ingredients are there for it as well. Maybe I’m reading a little too much into it.
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nicon
Date: Dec 25, 2009 at 12:09 AMWell, this definitely seems to be the hottest topic in wrestling right now. I think we’re all approaching a classic year with TNA re-igniting the monday nite wars. Hart doesn’t deserve anything more. He was inducted into the hall of fame. This is a business. Michaels was doing his job and Vince was the promoter. Wrestling is fake and Bret acted as if he was calling the shots. He is NOT as big of a legend as Michaels. He was a better mat-wrestler and thats about it. He couldn’t cut a promo like Michaels and he couldn’t carry the promotion as well either. It’s ironic because once Hart left, that’s when the WWF took over the ratings. Others were able to elevate their status. Let’s not forget any of that. This will make for interesting television and give us closure but let’s all keep this in perspective. Michaels did his job and Hart was trying to be a promoter and leave on his own terms. Doesn’t work that way.
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Leon
Date: Dec 25, 2009 at 1:44 AMDevil_Rising I have no idea what drugs ur on put if u think Bret Hart is better than HBK ur on crack…HBK was way better IC champ and WWE champ then bret was ever…Bret Hart is a great wrestler but HBK is the best…HBK has the best matches in almost every wrestlemaina he was in…Just go back to his return with jericho thought undertaker alone…Just in the last 6 years he has smoked anything bret has done in his life…U go back to early years…As a tag team I thought the Rockers were a better Tag Team the the Hart Foundation…IC title they wrestled the same people pretty much..HBK had a lot better matches as a IC champ then bret..Brets best match as an IC champ was Mr. Perfect at SummerSlam no questions…Shawns was at Wrestlemaina X..As a WWE champ HBK toped Bret in everything…In moves..High flying…Even Technical abilities…Bret did like 5 to 6 moves really good but shawn could do a lot more moves and made then look better. If I rated both of them…Bret would be an 8.5 and shawn would be a 9.7…I’m talking entertainer, wrestler, mic skills, entrance, storyline, and groups. HBK #1
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CptCannabis
Date: Dec 25, 2009 at 3:07 AMBret Hart made his mark in wrestling, that much is certain. But ask someone whose never watched wrestling who Hulk Hogan and Bret Hart are and you’re getting two different answers. He was never a huge draw, he was effecient but not outstanding, and Shawn Michaels (also a New Generation star you speak of so fondly Devil) has passed him by leaps and bounds. Bret Hart will never be forgotten by wrestling fans, but he won’t be the legend he is at the moment. He didn’t even have the charisma to be Ric Flair.
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TheRattlesnake420
Date: Dec 25, 2009 at 3:11 AMI agree with Leon on a couple things. Bret Hart started younger though, so technically…he is a better WRESTLER…but, I think as a PROFESSIONAL WRESTLER and as an ENTERTAINER, yes that includes mic skills, gimmick, inciting crowd reaction….shawn michaels is one of the best of all time. i’ll tell you this though, shawn michaels can make himself look REALLY GOOD…..but it takes a truly GREAT PROFESSIONAL WRESTLER like Bret “The Hitman” Hart to make EVERYONE look good. I’m not saying Shawn Michaels can’t carry a match, but I don’t think Shawn Michaels can have a feud with somebody and that feud lead his counterpart onto bigger and better things. The role a veteran wrestler playing the part of heel is supposed to play. The role of carrying the match and making the younger babyface look good. That is what was so special about the Attitude Era. The gray areas both characters were in, Austin and the Hitman. That feud spawned the Attitude Era. If Shawn Michaels is responsible for that….then correct me if I’m wrong. I know he might have had a part in it with DX, but he didn’t start it. I can tell you that.
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Sublime
Date: Dec 25, 2009 at 4:03 AMI really think another reason why bret didn’t really wanna loose at the SS was because he was wrestling against shawn. We knew that him and shawn had fights and arguments backstage. They didn’t get a long at all. It would have been the ultimate insult to him if shawn beat him in his hometown for his belt kicking him out the wwf. I honestly think that things would have been much different if bret were to wrestle someone different that night.
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A Wrestling Fan
Date: Dec 25, 2009 at 11:54 AM@HHH
He did not want to drop it in Canada because he wanted to win there (while still in WWF) one more time for the title. Shawn is still gonna get the title anyways. HBK and company were just being cry babies.
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A Wrestling Fan
Date: Dec 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM@sublime
I agree with you. Remember that “sunny days” comment that Shawn made to Bret. It was uncalled for, you don’t bring that kind of personal shit into a storyline.
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scooter
Date: Dec 26, 2009 at 10:15 AM@sublime bret even agreed to work for free just so long as he could win in canada
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