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isPermaLink="false">http://www.wrestling-edge.com/?p=6416#comment-6262</guid> <description>Here is the thing with repetitive matches (Cena/Orton/HHH)
I do agree with your points. BUt here is the thing i don&#039;t understand with the way people think. We bash them over and over about them fighting each other over and over. REason is this. They are the top guys no matter how much we hate it (or don&#039;t). They want and feel they deserve shots to be the champion when they are no longer the champion and they win the number 1 contendership matches in order to do so. Therefore, in that of itself, the storyline makes sense. Just people piss and moan of having to see the same people again. Now the complaints aren&#039;t really so much of the matches themselves being bad. In fact they are not that bad at all. Sure they are not 5 stars and such, but they can stand on their own as just a nice decent match. The only reason why most now get rolled eyes as a reaction is not really due to the action and the match itself, just people not caring to see these two fight again.
Well anyways, the point I&#039;m leading up to is this. Everyone is fond of and respects the hell out of Ric Flair and Ricky the Dragon Steamboat. Yes, their matches were wrestling clinics---but not all of them. But the real point is this...How many times has Ric Flair and Steamboat faced each other?
We can&#039;t really know, but we all hear Flair run his mouth over and over againn when discussing such matters that they have fought &quot;1000&#039;s&quot; of times. Now we all know that Orton/HHH/Cena have not faced each other that many times in a span of 4 years.
So why is it that it is ok looking back and saying wrestling was great, etc. even though we had Flair and Steamboat face each other NUMEROUS of times WITH by the way a title on the line a lot of those times as well?
Let me say again, i understand and you make good points on the subject. But must not forget that back then, people saw wrestlers back then face each other NUMEROUS of times AND a lot of those matches (Flair/Steamboat) didn&#039;t have a storyline build up. Some times they were just booked against each other to fill up the card, though it was usually going to be a good or great match.
Now I&#039;m sure both you and I can agree that Orton and HHH are good wrestlers in the ring right? Sure they have their faults, but overall they are good in the ring. Just depends on your taste of style you like to see and I know some don&#039;t like the style of Orton&#039;s slow methodical approach and HHH&#039;s style of having an aura around himself of &quot;superiority.&quot;
As for Cena, I don&#039;t fault him at all with his wrestling skills. You watch his earlier stuff in his career and you can see that he does have a bigger moveset. However, in WWE they tend to like to have their superstars to dial it down to a set of moves in order for the casual fans and younger fans to follow them even more and have that feel of knowing what they are going to do next and feed on the &quot;set up&quot; moves or chain of moves. To follow a formula for such fans. It has worked numerous of times before with Hogan, Warrior, and yes even Stone Cold Steve Austin. Now, i don&#039;t know if you ever saw Hogan work matches outside of the U.S. and outside the WWE and WCW, but Hogan did indeed have a lot more moves in his reportoire.
The problem/faults of Cena in my eyes is more of the psychology aspect of wrestling. His ring psychology is horrendous. And it goes hand in hand with the way he no sells. Hogan and The Undertaker are the masters of the &quot;no sell&quot; done the right way. Cena&#039;s no sells are done the wrong way. (Sorry kind of got off subject)
Yes, time has changed, the atmosphere and the &quot;likes&quot; that fans crave nowadays are much different. So the appeal of these wrestlers facing each other time and time again is not something fans want to see nowadays, but just remember. Back then, it was not seen as such a horrible thing. And it was normal to see two wrestlers face each other numerous of times.
Final Thought on the matter: Perhaps it wouldn&#039;t be in as much of a negative light if it wasn&#039;t always being the same two over and over in most of the main events in ppvs, especially when their are ppvs popping out left and right nowadays. I seriously hope they are planning on cutting them down.
As for the &quot;Guest Host.&quot; All i have to say is that there are some weeks it works, and some weeks it don&#039;t. And when they don&#039;t work, it REALLY doesn&#039;t work. But there have been in my opinion, some good guest host raws where the host was doing well and the show was entertaining.
Ones who i thought were decent/good:
Ozzy
Bob Barker
Ted DiBiase
Dusty Rhodes (Yes, it would of meant much more if they continued that story at the end of that Raw and we pry would already see Ted Jr. on the rising star of stardom, including Cody Rhodes)
And Shaq. (I thought he did well and created a nice touch with Jericho and Show. Just a shame no one caught on with the Christina chants. YEs we all love and respect Jericho. But he is playing a top heel and heels crave to have negative reactions from the fans and Jericho would of loved i&#039;m sure to have had that chant to catch on for awhile. People loved and respected Owen Hart but that didn&#039;t stop them from calling him a nugget and it certainly didn&#039;t mind the fans on chanting towards Kurt Angle that he sucks even though that is far from the case)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the thing with repetitive matches (Cena/Orton/HHH)</p><p>I do agree with your points. BUt here is the thing i don&#8217;t understand with the way people think. We bash them over and over about them fighting each other over and over. REason is this. They are the top guys no matter how much we hate it (or don&#8217;t). They want and feel they deserve shots to be the champion when they are no longer the champion and they win the number 1 contendership matches in order to do so. Therefore, in that of itself, the storyline makes sense. Just people piss and moan of having to see the same people again. Now the complaints aren&#8217;t really so much of the matches themselves being bad. In fact they are not that bad at all. Sure they are not 5 stars and such, but they can stand on their own as just a nice decent match. The only reason why most now get rolled eyes as a reaction is not really due to the action and the match itself, just people not caring to see these two fight again.</p><p>Well anyways, the point I&#8217;m leading up to is this. Everyone is fond of and respects the hell out of Ric Flair and Ricky the Dragon Steamboat. Yes, their matches were wrestling clinics&#8212;but not all of them. But the real point is this&#8230;How many times has Ric Flair and Steamboat faced each other?</p><p>We can&#8217;t really know, but we all hear Flair run his mouth over and over againn when discussing such matters that they have fought &#8220;1000&#8242;s&#8221; of times. Now we all know that Orton/HHH/Cena have not faced each other that many times in a span of 4 years.</p><p>So why is it that it is ok looking back and saying wrestling was great, etc. even though we had Flair and Steamboat face each other NUMEROUS of times WITH by the way a title on the line a lot of those times as well?</p><p>Let me say again, i understand and you make good points on the subject. But must not forget that back then, people saw wrestlers back then face each other NUMEROUS of times AND a lot of those matches (Flair/Steamboat) didn&#8217;t have a storyline build up. Some times they were just booked against each other to fill up the card, though it was usually going to be a good or great match.</p><p>Now I&#8217;m sure both you and I can agree that Orton and HHH are good wrestlers in the ring right? Sure they have their faults, but overall they are good in the ring. Just depends on your taste of style you like to see and I know some don&#8217;t like the style of Orton&#8217;s slow methodical approach and HHH&#8217;s style of having an aura around himself of &#8220;superiority.&#8221;</p><p>As for Cena, I don&#8217;t fault him at all with his wrestling skills. You watch his earlier stuff in his career and you can see that he does have a bigger moveset. However, in WWE they tend to like to have their superstars to dial it down to a set of moves in order for the casual fans and younger fans to follow them even more and have that feel of knowing what they are going to do next and feed on the &#8220;set up&#8221; moves or chain of moves. To follow a formula for such fans. It has worked numerous of times before with Hogan, Warrior, and yes even Stone Cold Steve Austin. Now, i don&#8217;t know if you ever saw Hogan work matches outside of the U.S. and outside the WWE and WCW, but Hogan did indeed have a lot more moves in his reportoire.</p><p>The problem/faults of Cena in my eyes is more of the psychology aspect of wrestling. His ring psychology is horrendous. And it goes hand in hand with the way he no sells. Hogan and The Undertaker are the masters of the &#8220;no sell&#8221; done the right way. Cena&#8217;s no sells are done the wrong way. (Sorry kind of got off subject)</p><p>Yes, time has changed, the atmosphere and the &#8220;likes&#8221; that fans crave nowadays are much different. So the appeal of these wrestlers facing each other time and time again is not something fans want to see nowadays, but just remember. Back then, it was not seen as such a horrible thing. And it was normal to see two wrestlers face each other numerous of times.</p><p>Final Thought on the matter: Perhaps it wouldn&#8217;t be in as much of a negative light if it wasn&#8217;t always being the same two over and over in most of the main events in ppvs, especially when their are ppvs popping out left and right nowadays. I seriously hope they are planning on cutting them down.</p><p>As for the &#8220;Guest Host.&#8221; All i have to say is that there are some weeks it works, and some weeks it don&#8217;t. And when they don&#8217;t work, it REALLY doesn&#8217;t work. But there have been in my opinion, some good guest host raws where the host was doing well and the show was entertaining.</p><p>Ones who i thought were decent/good:<br
/> Ozzy<br
/> Bob Barker<br
/> Ted DiBiase<br
/> Dusty Rhodes (Yes, it would of meant much more if they continued that story at the end of that Raw and we pry would already see Ted Jr. on the rising star of stardom, including Cody Rhodes)</p><p>And Shaq. (I thought he did well and created a nice touch with Jericho and Show. Just a shame no one caught on with the Christina chants. YEs we all love and respect Jericho. But he is playing a top heel and heels crave to have negative reactions from the fans and Jericho would of loved i&#8217;m sure to have had that chant to catch on for awhile. People loved and respected Owen Hart but that didn&#8217;t stop them from calling him a nugget and it certainly didn&#8217;t mind the fans on chanting towards Kurt Angle that he sucks even though that is far from the case)</p><p>Like or Dislike This Comment: <img
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isPermaLink="false">http://www.wrestling-edge.com/?p=6416#comment-6198</guid> <description>I completely agree with you lad. All of this 3-4 week title reigns are getting confusing and unrealistic. The prestige of the titles are being destroyed. At this point the ECW championship sounds more important than the company&#039;s trademark championship, the WWE Championship. A wrestler winning a title its no longer something that catches you by surprise and you can expect him to lose it at the next PPV. My only hope is that WWE decides to stop this short title reigns and build up their champions instead of having titles switch back and forth 2-5 times in a single rivalry.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with you lad. All of this 3-4 week title reigns are getting confusing and unrealistic. The prestige of the titles are being destroyed. At this point the ECW championship sounds more important than the company&#8217;s trademark championship, the WWE Championship. A wrestler winning a title its no longer something that catches you by surprise and you can expect him to lose it at the next PPV. My only hope is that WWE decides to stop this short title reigns and build up their champions instead of having titles switch back and forth 2-5 times in a single rivalry.</p><p>Like or Dislike This Comment: <img
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